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Parallel Lives [Hebrew title: Hamedovavit]: The entire interview

He matured and changed in the army. I sent them a nice kibbutznik and got back an Arab-hater.”

U.S. soldiers continue to be trained in Israel, taught by these nice kibbutzniks to also become Arab-haters, so they too will be able to execute savage, inhumane tactics against them.

Dorothy Naor writes:

Thanks to Victoria Lichtman and Ha’aretz, you now have in English the entire interview that in Hebrew was called Hamedovavit [i.e., someone who gets others to talk].

[Read the rest of Dorothy’s commentary]

Parallel Lives [Hebrew title: Hamedovavit]
By Dalia Karpal

Translated by Victoria Lichtman

From a young age Nufar Yishai-Karin was interested in war crimes. During the days of the first intifadah, she had a chance to experience such issues – up close and personal – during her service in the army infantry company near Rafah. After her service she studied psychology and then turned to her acquaintances in the company in order to understand what leads them to violent behavior. They recounted the pleasure they derived from the abuse, yet Yishai-Karin still believes that they, the soldiers, are also the victims.

She was in the 5th grade when she accompanied her father on a tour of the Golan Heights, where he described how he lost his best friend during a battle on the Tel Fahar position on June 9, 1967. “For years, this battle was for him a very emotional and unapproachable subject”, says clinical psychologist Yishai-Karin, that the years in the shadow of her father’s trauma over the battle had a formative impact on her consciousness, leading her to her ultimate profession.

“As a youngster the war preoccupied my thoughts”, she says. During her high school years she read many books on the Second World War, and quite quickly, also became drawn to the Vietnam War. She devoured each book, she said, and did not miss a movie dealing with this war: “but I did not yet realize that my real interest was in soldier’s war crimes”. After her army service, she began her studies at Hebrew University where she dedicated seven years to researching the processes that lead Israeli soldiers to commit injustices and abuses during the years of the first intifadah Her research work, which was her thesis for her Master of Clinical Psychology degree focused on the soldiers’ testimonies about violent acts which they participated in. Her thesis which was revised as an article was published this month in the journal “Alpayiim” (2000), as a joint work with her thesis advisor at the university, Professor Yoel Elizur.

The article, entitled: “How does a situation arise” disguises the soldier’s names, the dates and locations, to protect the interviewees’, who were chosen from a sample from two infantry companies (Ashbal and Ash’har) and were stationed for an extended period of time in Rafah. The article provoked a response from the author David Grossman, who commented that this suggests that this is not a case of an isolated few, but of hundreds and thousands of others, “who carried out a large-scale inventory of evil”.

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