{"id":2000,"date":"2007-05-12T14:53:08","date_gmt":"2007-05-12T19:53:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/?p=2000"},"modified":"2007-05-12T14:53:08","modified_gmt":"2007-05-12T19:53:08","slug":"two-states-or-one-state-public-debate-between-uri-avnery-and-ilan-pappe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/?p=2000","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;Two-States or One State&#8217; public debate between Uri Avnery and Ilan Pappe"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Ilan Pappe &#8211; opening words, debate May 8, 2007 \/ translation Adam Keller<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Zionism was born out of two logical and justified impulses. The first was the desire to find a safe shore for the Jews of East and Central Europe, after decades of anti-semitic persecutions &#8211; and possibly also a premonition that there was worse to come. The second impulse was to redefine the Jewish religion as a national movement, under the influence of &#8220;The Spring of the Peoples&#8221; in the mid-Nineteenth Century.<\/p>\n<p>When the leaders of the movement decided, for reasons which cannot be detailed here, that the only territory where these two impulses can be fulfilled is Palestine, where nearly a million people already lived &#8211; this movement turned into a colonial project.<\/p>\n<p><strong>[ <a href=\"https:\/\/zzzen.secured.co.il\/sites\/gush\/home\/en\/channels\/archive\/1178972526\">Read the statement <\/a>]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Uri Avnery &#8211; opening words \/ based on Avnery&#8217;s notes<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>THIS IS not a duel to the death of gladiators in a Roman arena.<\/p>\n<p>Ilan Pappe and I are partners in the battle against the occupation. I respect his courage. We stand side by side in a joint struggle, but we advocate two sharply opposing goals.<\/p>\n<p>WHAT IS the disagreement about?<\/p>\n<p><strong>[ <a href=\"http:\/\/zope.gush-shalom.org\/home\/en\/channels\/avnery\/1178916307\/\">Read the statement<\/a> ]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/zope.gush-shalom.org\/home\/en\/events\/1178719775\"><strong>Gush Shalom report on debate<\/strong><\/a><strong> | <a href=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/group\/newprofile?hl=en\">hat tip<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ilan Pappe &#8211; opening words, debate May 8, 2007 \/ translation Adam Keller Zionism was born out of two logical and justified impulses. The first was the desire to find a safe shore for the Jews of East and Central &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/?p=2000\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2000","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pdXTf-wg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2000","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2000"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2000\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2000"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2000"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/karmalised.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2000"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}